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boy, i would think the fed and ben bernanke are rooting hard for that one. we saw how the market is moving on every single development out of washington, with stocks quickly coming off of their session lows today, just on the report that the two main players would finally get in the same room, look at each other eye to eye and talk this out. even with the fed's latest contortions yesterday, it freely admits it does not have the tools that will combat the affects of a fiscal cliff debacle. ben bernanke and his fed cohorts have done the job that congress should have been doing all along. if he had his way, it would not have been the fed doing so much to help this economy. it would have been our elected officials. the job that they're paid to do. he stepped in because he had to, not because he wanted to. now, the message is clear. the fed cannot fix washington's ineptitude this time, if they can't come to a compromise and make a deal. so, you sure can be sure
boy, i would think the fed and ben bernanke are rooting hard for that one. we saw how the market is moving on every single development out of washington, with stocks quickly coming off of their session lows today, just on the report that the two main players would finally get in the same room, look at each other eye to eye and talk this out. even with the fed's latest contortions yesterday, it freely admits it does not have the tools that will combat the affects of a fiscal cliff debacle. ben...
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ben bernanke celebrating his 59th birthday today. we want to know, what do you think bernanke will be wishing for when he blows out his birthday candles which, of course, is what you do if you're on the board of the fomc? tweet us, @squawkstreet. we'll read some of your answers next. sors. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you
ben bernanke celebrating his 59th birthday today. we want to know, what do you think bernanke will be wishing for when he blows out his birthday candles which, of course, is what you do if you're on the board of the fomc? tweet us, @squawkstreet. we'll read some of your answers next. sors. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick...
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ben bernanke will feel it's his job to do whatever he can. that's the nature of the team, that's the nature of what they've been doing. are there any extra goodies that they might think of in your view? >> the extra goody they're talking about i would describe as operation twist. what they have been doing is driving down long-term rates, by essentially settling short-term treasuries and buying long-term treasuries. the possibility that steve just described, and it is a possibility, is that because they're running out of the short term, they will only buy the long term. that will certainly be an expansion. but the question is, will that expansion add a lot to the -- >> let me ask you about that. on a scale of 1 to 10, how powerful a tool is that? if they announce it today, mark? >> it has a significant psychological effect. but it's only psychological. it will be a long time before that would have any fundamental effect on the underlying economy. >> you know, mark, let me rather than going immediately to john on this question, let me ask you w
ben bernanke will feel it's his job to do whatever he can. that's the nature of the team, that's the nature of what they've been doing. are there any extra goodies that they might think of in your view? >> the extra goody they're talking about i would describe as operation twist. what they have been doing is driving down long-term rates, by essentially settling short-term treasuries and buying long-term treasuries. the possibility that steve just described, and it is a possibility, is...
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. >> ben bernanke's latest move to stimulate the economy, is it actually hurting things? steve liesman and rick santelli tackle it out next. >> oh, boy. and we'll hear from a top republican lawmaker warning that the real fiscal cliff is a couple years away when the economy could collapse because of runaway spending. congressman paul brown will join us. >> and top picks for 2013. you'll never guess what stock he likes the most. >> hmm. >> back in a moment with that. [ male announcer ] with wells fargo advisors envision planning process, it's easy to follow the progress you're making toward all your financial goals. a quick glance, and you can see if you're on track. when the conversation turns to knowing where you stand, turn to us. wells fargo advisors. [ male announcer ] you build a reputation by not breaking down. consider the silverado 1500 -- still the most dependable, longest-lasting full-size pickups on the road. and now we've also been recognized for lowest total cost of ownership -- based on important things, like depreciation, fuel, and maintenance costs. and now
. >> ben bernanke's latest move to stimulate the economy, is it actually hurting things? steve liesman and rick santelli tackle it out next. >> oh, boy. and we'll hear from a top republican lawmaker warning that the real fiscal cliff is a couple years away when the economy could collapse because of runaway spending. congressman paul brown will join us. >> and top picks for 2013. you'll never guess what stock he likes the most. >> hmm. >> back in a moment with that....
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ben bernanke just throwing a trillion dollars at this and all of a sudden today everything is coming up roses. 2 t is frustrating. didn't want it believe it. and we saw the fiscal cliff hanging over. >> do you agree with that, michael? >> bernanke doesn't come out and display one side. he is trying to talk the market into being optimistic but not too optimistic. the take away that i really thought was critical yesterday, this whole target rate gives investors a map for how to invest over the next couple of years. i have a blog on cnbc right now that talks exactly about that issue. he essentially said you stay in bonds for a year, year and a half until unemployment starts to come down into the 6s. that point, you sell, put risk on. make sure you're international -- >> my question for you, michael, is a lot of our viewers have a lot of portfolios in fixed income assets. mutual funds or whatever. what should they be doing if anything now and what is the signal for them to act and do something? >> great question. all of this is theoretical until you operational it for investors. if you a
ben bernanke just throwing a trillion dollars at this and all of a sudden today everything is coming up roses. 2 t is frustrating. didn't want it believe it. and we saw the fiscal cliff hanging over. >> do you agree with that, michael? >> bernanke doesn't come out and display one side. he is trying to talk the market into being optimistic but not too optimistic. the take away that i really thought was critical yesterday, this whole target rate gives investors a map for how to invest...
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you had both ben bernanke. you had the minnesota fed chairman -- >> coach likota. >> thank you for bailing me out. >> liesman will be happy i knew that. >> the economy was getting better and the ten-year went from 1.8% all the way up to 2.40. what happened in april? you printed 68,000. the message of the market was wrong. fast forward to september, same thing. the announcement of qe3 was supposed to be reflationary. within one week it was the high of the s&p. >> let's go to stephanie link before we bring in the professor to decide if any of you are getting an "a" on this pone. >> i think the fed will continue to keep rates low because we're only growing gdp at 2.7%. we're looking at the fiscal cliff and austerity and he's doing what he can just to keep this thing afloat and to not go back into a recession. i think rates stay low for an extended period of time. i don't know if we get to 6.5% next year or in two years from now, but that's not -- it's not going to be like all of a sudden we get to 6.5 and bam, he
you had both ben bernanke. you had the minnesota fed chairman -- >> coach likota. >> thank you for bailing me out. >> liesman will be happy i knew that. >> the economy was getting better and the ten-year went from 1.8% all the way up to 2.40. what happened in april? you printed 68,000. the message of the market was wrong. fast forward to september, same thing. the announcement of qe3 was supposed to be reflationary. within one week it was the high of the s&p....
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it's ben bernanke's birthday. happy birthday, ben. "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning and welcome back to south carolina here on cnbc. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky is off today. dino kosof, he's going to have a lot to talk about when it comes to what mr. bernanke just said. later in the program, we'll talk to pimco's kneneal ashkari. >>> a surprise from ben bernanke, linking unemployment to monetary policy. rates will be staying where they are right now, which is close to zero, of course. until at the very least the jobless rate falls to 6.5%. we can only cross our fingers wherefore when that might be. ben bernanke says these changes will make the central bank more transparent adding they can only help the markets. the central bank ramped up its asset purchase program adding $40 billion to its $40 billion a month purchases of mortgage-backed bonds. he spoke about the objectives during wednesday's news conference. >> the asset purchases and the rate increases have different objectives. the asset purc
it's ben bernanke's birthday. happy birthday, ben. "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning and welcome back to south carolina here on cnbc. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky is off today. dino kosof, he's going to have a lot to talk about when it comes to what mr. bernanke just said. later in the program, we'll talk to pimco's kneneal ashkari. >>> a surprise from ben bernanke, linking unemployment to monetary policy. rates will be staying...
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ben bernanke's news conference starts at 12:15 p.m. eastern time. steve joins us in a few minutes with the preview from washington. >>> another story with big implications is michigan's decision to become a righ"right work" state. it would bar members from requiring to pay member dues. the governor signed the law. >> shouldn't unions be putting out the proposition workers want to join a union and shouldn't workers be able to make a choice their dollars are going to that union based on whether they're getting results that. 's what this is doing. that's why i view this as pro worker, not anti-union. >> it is viewed as a big blow to organized union that has seen membership decline across the country. dow opened higher by 56, nasdaq by 13 and s&p by a little more than 7, a gain half a percent across the board. in asia, higher across the board, not a lot. hang seng did well, higher by 181 points. europe still open at this hour, higher across the board. a gain for germany and quarter percent for the ftse, fairly flat where decide iing he will longer be a
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i think that's a mistake. >> steve, ben bernanke said today if we do go over the fiscal cliff, even if it's for a short period of time, it's going to be very costly and they do not have the tools to basically dig us out of it. do you believe if we go over the fiscal cliff it won't be as easy as the governor is suggesting? >> we're in trouble anyway this quarter and the next quarter and putting on taxes of any kind would be the wrong thing to do. sometimes the governor is a former physician, current physician, and you learn first go don't harm the patient. putting on taxes would harm the patient. we've seen that around the world. >> what do we do with the deficit problem we have? >> the only way to get rid of a deficit ultimately, spending restraint. you've got to do entitlement reform. that will take months, not a few weeks, but it's grow the economy. if we had revenues equal to what we normally do, 18%, 19% of gdp, that cuts the deficit in half. there's no way you can tax and cut spend out of this contraction. the last time we tried that was the early 1930s. did not work. >> let me di
i think that's a mistake. >> steve, ben bernanke said today if we do go over the fiscal cliff, even if it's for a short period of time, it's going to be very costly and they do not have the tools to basically dig us out of it. do you believe if we go over the fiscal cliff it won't be as easy as the governor is suggesting? >> we're in trouble anyway this quarter and the next quarter and putting on taxes of any kind would be the wrong thing to do. sometimes the governor is a former...
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it doesn't matter what ben bernanke does. i think his programs have long since not really helped the employment side, but the fiscal cliff is doing obvious damage. that's going to make what everybody knows is coming. we ran out of two years to sell. they're going to go from a twist to outright purchases. it's fully built into the market, but it isn't going to help. the fiscal cliff is going to do more damage to the psyche of job creation than anything that ben bernanke can do. >> any expectations in terms of the jobs numbers? what do you look for? >> we're looking for better than expected. rit, the sandy effect will be there. you should see actually better job growth next year, and that also becomes that second catalyst into the marketplace that could put the s&p at an all-time high next year. >> what about the fiscal cliff though? if we take out the mortgage deduction, which is being hotly debated in terms of the exemptions and loopholes, does that stop this housing recovery in its tracks? >> if you pick a midpoint between 0
it doesn't matter what ben bernanke does. i think his programs have long since not really helped the employment side, but the fiscal cliff is doing obvious damage. that's going to make what everybody knows is coming. we ran out of two years to sell. they're going to go from a twist to outright purchases. it's fully built into the market, but it isn't going to help. the fiscal cliff is going to do more damage to the psyche of job creation than anything that ben bernanke can do. >> any...
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ben bernanke arrives for day one of the fed meeting. there he is. we promise you, he's in that suv there. where currentcy traders are placing their bets as speculation of further easing gr grows. >>> we're halfway through the trading day. next we cover the day's dead cat bounces. the island reverse ams. the break outs and breakdowns. in "pops & drops." >>> plus, they say the dumb money trades in the morning and the smart money trades into the close. so we reveal what that smart money is buying and trading before that final bell tolls. when the "halftime report" continues. [ male announcer ] trading's like a high-speed train. and you don't want to miss it with thinkorswim by td ameritrade. you get knock-your-socks-off tools, simple one-click orders, real-time paper trading to hone your skills, plus anytime you need it support. ♪ stocks, options, futures, and forex. get your trading on track. thinkorswim by td ameritrade. trade commission free for 60 days, plus get up to $600 when you open an account. [ male announcer ] when it comes to the financia
ben bernanke arrives for day one of the fed meeting. there he is. we promise you, he's in that suv there. where currentcy traders are placing their bets as speculation of further easing gr grows. >>> we're halfway through the trading day. next we cover the day's dead cat bounces. the island reverse ams. the break outs and breakdowns. in "pops & drops." >>> plus, they say the dumb money trades in the morning and the smart money trades into the close. so we reveal...
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ben bernanke grabbing the spotlight on wall street tomorrow. he's expected to announce additional treasury buying. our panel next telling us how that will impact your money. back in a moment. [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. additional treasury buying. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. >>> welcome back. we have breaking news on the fiscal cliff negotiations. eamon? >> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our loo
ben bernanke grabbing the spotlight on wall street tomorrow. he's expected to announce additional treasury buying. our panel next telling us how that will impact your money. back in a moment. [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the...
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the euro bounces on the news but stocks in europe are trading lower as ben bernanke warns monetary policy may not be enough to offset the damage if the u.s. economy goes over the fiscal cliff. >>> and the fed takes the new and surprising step in its ongoing efforts to boost the economy, tying interest rates directly to the u.s. unemployment rate. >>> plus, investors cheering the plan to save danone's plans to offset losses over the next two years. >> announcer: you're watching "worldwide exchange," bringing you business news from around the globe. >>> welcome to the program. coming up on today's show, we'll be plenty busy. we head out to tokyo where carry enjoji has been talking about the upcoming elections. then, we hone in on central london where one pilot project is living roof and major buildings. find out what green living can do go r to improve the area. >>> and today, the 1 billionth international tourist will reportedly arrive at a destination in the world. at 11:20 central time, we'll speak to the world travel council to find out why france is still the world's top destination bu
the euro bounces on the news but stocks in europe are trading lower as ben bernanke warns monetary policy may not be enough to offset the damage if the u.s. economy goes over the fiscal cliff. >>> and the fed takes the new and surprising step in its ongoing efforts to boost the economy, tying interest rates directly to the u.s. unemployment rate. >>> plus, investors cheering the plan to save danone's plans to offset losses over the next two years. >> announcer: you're...
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also they are waiting to see whether or not federal chairman ben bernanke makes any comments about that. when he concludes at the conclusion of the two-day fed meeting occurring on tuesday and wednesday. again, dow industrials for the third day in a row looks like it is held to double digit range. today's range is about 56 points. let's look at a couple of dow movers. mcdonald's from the better than expected saim stores sells. weakness we are seeing in home depot along with other details sales numberes. but we continue to see strength in tech. dow and hewlitt packard with a possible break up of that firm. since november about the middle of november, when they hit a 52-week low, all of this despite weakness in apple, this group continues to perform very, very well. energy stocks higher earlier, drifting lower, that has the dow's lead from the highs of the session. lastly we want to note that dovert corporation, took the stock down a couple of points. >> no t.o. the nasdaq now, everybody is talking about apple once again down here, but there is a lot more happening at the nasdaq than just
also they are waiting to see whether or not federal chairman ben bernanke makes any comments about that. when he concludes at the conclusion of the two-day fed meeting occurring on tuesday and wednesday. again, dow industrials for the third day in a row looks like it is held to double digit range. today's range is about 56 points. let's look at a couple of dow movers. mcdonald's from the better than expected saim stores sells. weakness we are seeing in home depot along with other details sales...
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and ben bernanke's press briefing at quarter past. the fed is expected to announce a new round of bond purchases as its latest program, operation twist, is set to expire at the end of the month. cnbc will begin at 12:00 p.m. eastern. >>> joining us is stewart richardson, partner at rpmg. the press conference -- we'll hear a fresh round of stimulus from the fed. how significant would that be? >> in my mind it's not that significant. i think as optics, people think this is another addition to the stimulus. the fact is that the fed for months and months and months when they go out to purchase longer term treasuries, they're trying to reduce the supply of those in the market and effectively swap short dated cash or other securities. north about 1.25%. whether they're holding reserves or selling the, say, two-year treasury at north of 2 5 basis points, it's effectively the same thing. they're printing 85 million a month and saying we're not doing a twist, we're doing an outright purchase. >> it's different if twist doesn't expand the balan
and ben bernanke's press briefing at quarter past. the fed is expected to announce a new round of bond purchases as its latest program, operation twist, is set to expire at the end of the month. cnbc will begin at 12:00 p.m. eastern. >>> joining us is stewart richardson, partner at rpmg. the press conference -- we'll hear a fresh round of stimulus from the fed. how significant would that be? >> in my mind it's not that significant. i think as optics, people think this is another...
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the one thing we can be certain about is that ben bernanke is keeping his foot on the pedal right now. >> yeah, and john, when you compare what economists have forecasted when it comes to unemployment and what the fed is essentially forecasting. if you look at the officials and where they stand, 13 of the 19 officials say there won't be an increase likely until 2015, which would imply that the unemployment rate would remain above 6.5% for that amount of time. does that measure up with what wall street is forecasting? >> well, it measures up with what the fed is forecasting. i haven't looked at our own survey, which just came out. but the felt's fod's forecasts general little in lily in line street's. so, i think it does -- for me, one of the big questions is, all right, so, what happens once we get to that point? once we get to 6.5% unemployment, you know, the fed chairman said today that he thinks that the fed is likely to be able to move very gararadual to raise interest rates. of course, he's probably not going to be around. his term would have ended. but there's a risk that the fe
the one thing we can be certain about is that ben bernanke is keeping his foot on the pedal right now. >> yeah, and john, when you compare what economists have forecasted when it comes to unemployment and what the fed is essentially forecasting. if you look at the officials and where they stand, 13 of the 19 officials say there won't be an increase likely until 2015, which would imply that the unemployment rate would remain above 6.5% for that amount of time. does that measure up with...
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>>> a news conference by chairman ben bernanke, set for wednesday.
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but i think we're also going to have to talk more about ben bernanke. if we go off the fiscal cliff, it shows the irony of how the feds balance sheets isn't addressing the problem. it isn't addressing unemployment. one hand of the government is trying to do something that isn't working and the other hand is shooting in the foot. i think this is going to be interesting listening to bernanke on wednesday. >> ben has already put it out there there's not a lot the fed can do if we go off the fiscal cliff. you speak to a lot of smart people, rick santelli. >> and he's a smart person as well. >> to feel it's going to be a year of strong dollar or weaker dollar. i ask this because so many companies during their latest earning season have pointed to the strong dollar as a real problem for them if they're a multinational. >> i think the relationship between all the developed countries using printing presses like the dollar, yen, euro, are close to levels and ranges we'll see next year. i think in some of the asian currencies we need to pay more attention to. you
but i think we're also going to have to talk more about ben bernanke. if we go off the fiscal cliff, it shows the irony of how the feds balance sheets isn't addressing the problem. it isn't addressing unemployment. one hand of the government is trying to do something that isn't working and the other hand is shooting in the foot. i think this is going to be interesting listening to bernanke on wednesday. >> ben has already put it out there there's not a lot the fed can do if we go off the...
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bill gates, pope benedict, ben bernanke, saudi king. more on how the list was assembled and other details, forbes media ceo, mike, thanks for being with us. >> this is important to us because nothing personifies what we do at forbes like our power list. we're about success and the impact of people who achieve success have. we have ten editors who get together. we draw on a huge bank -- >> they always agree on everything. don't they? >> exactly. there is some subjectivity, i must admit. they talk about the number of people that someone influences. the amount of financial resources that they have. how many spheres they operate in, are they just financial or are tle political or philanthropic. the fourth criteria is do they act on their power, do they use their power. and if you look at -- >> that's the reason why bill gates would rank so high here is how he has used some of his financial power in the philanthropic sphere. it was interesting to me, "forbes" magazine, leading business magazine, most storied one maybe of all -- >> i have no
bill gates, pope benedict, ben bernanke, saudi king. more on how the list was assembled and other details, forbes media ceo, mike, thanks for being with us. >> this is important to us because nothing personifies what we do at forbes like our power list. we're about success and the impact of people who achieve success have. we have ten editors who get together. we draw on a huge bank -- >> they always agree on everything. don't they? >> exactly. there is some subjectivity, i...
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if you're ben bernanke, why would you throw a curveball at this hour. we'll see. that press conference, a little more than 24 hours from now. >> we're continuing e inine ini more on trip adviser. look at the cnbc realtime exchange. we did see the features point to a higher open. here at the big board, coca-col coca-cola -- [ bell ringing ] >> and ringing the bell there. trip adviser, interesting deal, because the pricing at which the shares were bought. >> you've got to remember, of course, you have a change in voting control. it had been controlled by barry diller, it will now be controlled by liberty media. they will own 22% of the economics of trib adviser, but 57% of the total votes of the company, effectively controlling the company. so any thoughts you might have as a shareholder in erms it of the future takeover premium in terms of changing control. well, for now, don't expect them to go to the price that john malone and liberty are paying here. that's quite a price, $62.52 a share. we'll see what their stock does. we anticipate it will move up. but nowhere
if you're ben bernanke, why would you throw a curveball at this hour. we'll see. that press conference, a little more than 24 hours from now. >> we're continuing e inine ini more on trip adviser. look at the cnbc realtime exchange. we did see the features point to a higher open. here at the big board, coca-col coca-cola -- [ bell ringing ] >> and ringing the bell there. trip adviser, interesting deal, because the pricing at which the shares were bought. >> you've got to...
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about the dollar as a result of the very aggressive policies that we've had from alan greenspan and ben bernanke, the dollar has lost about a third of its value over the last three years on the dollar index. does that mean that manufacturers like yourself will be forced to bring jobs back to america because now producing elsewhere and importing on that currency effect is now 30% more expensive? >> you know, in that case for us, that is not going to have a big impact. 80% or more of what we sell in the u.s. we already make in the u.s. we really believe in production and if you look at our business and all of the large markets around the world, we have established production basis. if anything, that's perhaps helped us a little bit because we do export about 15% of our u.s. production. overall the biggest impact that the change in currencies have had is really for us the brazilian and indian currencies which have devalued about 25% over the last year. the u.s. dollar change has not had a large impact on us. interesting to hear you talk about housing in this country. sherwin williams, depo
about the dollar as a result of the very aggressive policies that we've had from alan greenspan and ben bernanke, the dollar has lost about a third of its value over the last three years on the dollar index. does that mean that manufacturers like yourself will be forced to bring jobs back to america because now producing elsewhere and importing on that currency effect is now 30% more expensive? >> you know, in that case for us, that is not going to have a big impact. 80% or more of what...
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bernanke. >> absolutely. >> let's look at another area. >> can i add one more point? >> sure. >> when you look at it and larry summers was on this morning, whom i have great respect for, he had the piece from the imf study when you cut the deficit by 1%, what is the impact on the gdp. they didn't get into that this morning but if his numbers he's using 0.9 to 1.4, if you lose 2% to 3% of gdp you'll go to negative growth which will impact -- >> at the very least the wheels will be on the runway. >> absolutely. >> let's switch gears, mario draghi today, listen, i was so wrong and i don't know how long it will last but i give him credit, at least for this period of time, how long it lasts because there is no growth and recession in europe i can't answer but what were your observations on that press conference? >> last night when i wrote about it, mario draghi can put his feet up and have a stella and enjoy. he bought himself time. july 6th will be mario draghi's day of celebration because he stemmed the financial crisis in europe and bought time. berlusconi comes onto th
bernanke. >> absolutely. >> let's look at another area. >> can i add one more point? >> sure. >> when you look at it and larry summers was on this morning, whom i have great respect for, he had the piece from the imf study when you cut the deficit by 1%, what is the impact on the gdp. they didn't get into that this morning but if his numbers he's using 0.9 to 1.4, if you lose 2% to 3% of gdp you'll go to negative growth which will impact -- >> at the very...